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Official Discussion - Solo: A Star Wars Story [SPOILERS]

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Summary:

During an adventure into a dark criminal underworld, Han Solo meets his future copilot Chewbacca and encounters Lando Calrissian years before joining the Rebellion.

Director:

Phil Lord, Chris Miller Ron Howard

Writers:

written by Jonathan Kasdan, Lawrence Kasdan

based on characters created by George Lucas

Cast:

  • Alden Ehrenreich as Han Solo

  • Emilia Clarke as Qi'ra

  • Donald Glover as Lando Calrissian

  • Joonas Suotamo as Chewbacca

  • Woody Harrelson as Tobias Beckett

  • Paul Bettany as Dryden Vos

  • Thandie Newton as Val

  • Phoebe Waller-Bridge as L3-37

  • Jon Favreau as Rio Durant,

  • Linda Hunt as Lady Proxima

  • Jonathan Kasdan as Tag Greenley and first assistant director

  • Toby Hefferman as Bink Otauna

  • Ian Kenny as Rebolt

  • Clint Howard as Ralakili

  • Anthony Daniels as Tak

  • Kiran Shah as Karjj

  • Warwick Davis as Weazel

  • John Tui as Korso

  • Charlotte Louise as Margo

  • Sema-Tawi Smart as Chanteuse

  • Dee Tails as Quay Tolsite

  • Attila Vajda as Sagwa

  • Lily Newmark as Lexi

  • Samantha Colley as Ottilie

  • Ray Park as Darth Maul (body)

  • Sam Witwer as Darth Maul (voice)

Rotten Tomatoes: 71%

Metacritic: 62/100

After Credits Scene? No

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level 1

7/10, very pleasantly surprised by this movie. I think it’s better than Last Jedi. TLJ had its individual moments of greatness, but at least Solo cohered with itself and was fun to watch. It also didn’t bother with pointless subplots and didn’t have the characters act like idiots. Beginning was a bit rough, but everything post-train sequence was well done. Alden was pretty good, too. He didn’t try to overtly copy Ford yet did really well in channelling Han’s vocal patterns from the OT.

Only perplexing thing was the inclusion of Darth Maul. I understand that he appears in the TV shows, but as a film viewer, I thought it was a bit of a pointless callback. It also just seems weird that he’s still alive post-Revenge of the Sith. Are Palpatine and Vader aware that Maul is still around? Is Maul still alive near the events of Rogue One/A New Hope?

level 2

Just watched myself.. kicking myself a little for not seeing it in theaters was please try suprised and thought it was better then both TLJ and Rogue One.

The Maul inclusion felt like setup for another movie.. however I just don't see them making another one following how this one preformed at the box office. The open ended nature of the ending was definitely the most dissapointing thing for me as we'll prob never find out what happens to qi'ra.

level 1

Saw it yesterday. Was better than i expected it to be. Woule have done much better if they released it in december. Id rank it above force awakens and last jedi but not rogue one.

level 1
7 points · 1 day ago

Lando: I hate you.

Han: I know.

level 1

What if Han's line in the original Star Wars about making the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs was just a line of BS? You know, the kind of lie or blag that a scoundrel smuggler might say to sell people on his capabilities as a pilot.

That's the kind of character wrinkle that didn't need ironing out for me with Solo, which isn't just an unnecessary film but a poorly conceived and executed one at that. With Rogue One, Disney is again guilty of this revisionist history approach to Star Wars, but it's still handily the best of the new lot of movies imho.

I think Star Wars is lost ... in space.

level 2

Han is really confident. Wouldn't he be the one to gloat if he achieved such a feat?

level 1

Let’s begin with getting it out there that yes, it doesn't quite feel like the star wars we know and love. It's not a space opera, however, it is a space adventure in every sense of the word. It introduces us to the new lore and does so in an interesting and compelling way. It's an awesome heist movie, the action awesome looking, the characters are well done and it is over all a fairly good movie. It at times felt like a well done fan film, but that’s fine by me as long as it’s well done. So yeah, good movie, decent star wars movie

level 1

That really felt like a fan-film. Every scene seemed to be based around "wouldn't it be cool if..." and fan theories from the past 30 years but they don't run together very well.

Like the name "Solo", just some clerk making a joke, but then nobody actually calls him Solo... so why does he stick with it?

Or the "are droids slaves?" dilemma (because they've shown sentience and freewill in other movies, but are still treated as tools); let's throw in a droid rebellion and then just totally forget about it.

How about that scene from Pirates of the Caribbean, but in space! And we'll introduce the space-kraken threat then eliminate it immediately with the space-maelstrom.

And was some stuff cut from before Han reunites with Qi'ra again? Han joins the Empire, and gets nothing done for 3 years. He meets Beckett, they immediately go off to fail a job. Then they immediately go off to grovel to Vos. But in that same time Qi'ra has done some shady shit, gotten herself a secret backstory, and apparently knows everybody. Were Han and Beckett meant to have had some more time together doing more jobs?

level 1

Saw it last night. Had no real faith in it, and was surprised by how much I liked it.

It had problems..... It was far from great, but it wasn't the total disaster I expected... Especially after hearing the guy who played Han needed an acting coach on set.

I kind of wish it wasn't about Han solo tbh... And there was a few too many "Remeber this!?!?" moments.... Like everything Han said he had done in the original movies all seemed to happen in this short little span of the movie.

level 1

So what was the point of the Darth Maul appearance?

level 2

So people know he's still alive so he can most likely be the antagonist in the inevitable obi Wan movie

level 2

Fan service

level 1
9 points · 6 days ago

8/10 Good time movie. Old fashioned SW and all the better for it. Great set-pieces, likeable characters, less gimmicky humour that other recent additions. Fan service actually seemed to serve the story rather than being there just for the sake of it. Kessel Run was genuinely thrilling and Solo genuinely comes off as a great pilot. Lots of script issues, but they're nothing new to Star Wars. Reckon it'll stand the test of time better than most. Shame it did badly at the BO.

level 2

Ay man I agree. I heard some bad things from this going in but after finishing it it's a solid Star Wars movie. This is my favorite out of all the new Star Wars films so far.

level 1
12 points · 7 days ago · edited 7 days ago

I just watched it. It was OK. Similar in feel to Rogue One. It looked great, the sets were great, the casting was mostly great and even the general premise of the story was pretty good. But the writing was like a first draft. No character was developed beyond a basic archetype resulting in no chemistry between Solo & Q'ira (or any sense that either of them had actually changed since their earlier days together), no shock when Beckett's wife or pilot die, no impact to a final confrontation between Han & Beckett and no 'YES' moment when Dryden is defeated. The characters that worked best (and worked best together) were Lando and L3. Also the general structure and flow of the film was poor. It felt like we kept jumping around from act to act. We went from opening act to a heist you might see at the end of an act 2. Then we went back to recruitment stuff that you might see at the start of act 2. Then we had another heist (that was less fun than the first heist) and then we got to an act 3 that only felt like it was the end because the film had been on long enough to make it the end by default.

So far I have liked the two un-numbered films more than the numbered episodes, but still they are really only 3.5 out of 5 at best.

One major thing that would have helped Solo is if it was not called Solo and not about Han in any way and was set after ROTJ and was just a story about a Han-like smuggler. But that's my opinion on the new Star Wars in general, they would be a lot better if they were still set 30 years after ROTJ (if not more) but featured no characters from the original trilogy but instead followed the adventures of all new characters in a post-Empire galaxy getting up to all new adventures. Instead of this soft-reboot we got where the Empire appear to be stronger than ever making all the achievements of the OT seem pointless, we have to watch classic characters be butchered and even the half decent films like Rogue One and Solo are hampered by the effort to shoehorn them in to old lore.

EDIT: one other comment I would make; this film has already been made and made way better. It's called 'Serenity'.

level 1

I felt L3 was made for the sole person of mocking sjws, that was pretty funny, good film, but can understand why it flopped, wasn't expecting Maul tho, 6/10

level 1
16 points · 7 days ago · edited 7 days ago

Q'ira ditching Han could have had some real emotional impact, if the film was just better written. The film wanted to sell us on them being close, and their reunion should have seemed like an epic romantic reunion in the worst situation, but it was more akin to when I ran into an old flatmate whom I was kind of friends with but not really. And then Beckett's comments about her should have given the impression that she's being doing some mean shit to survive, but still it's Han who knows the real Q'ira. That way her ditching him, confirming that Beckett was right, would have had some impact. But it never managed to sell me on them being close. And then when she does ditch him Han's reaction is something like, "Oh, whatever I've got a Wookie now."

level 2

Maybe I missed it but I still don't know how the heck she got out of that ugly planet and what the bad things she was talking about are.

level 3

They show her taking off in the giant yacht ship at the end.

As for the bad things considering she becomes Maul's apprentice at the end and her fighting skills I'm assuming she is in deep with the Sith.

level 1
11 points · 7 days ago · edited 7 days ago

Better than I expected. Maybe 6/10. Some of the references felt contrived, and it's just mindless action fun, but sometimes that's what I want. The Kessel run was pretty awesome.

Rogue one is better, but this is 2nd imo. Also, anyone who hates L3 for the sole reason that she's an "SJW" or whatever the fuck can suck my dick. Is this preschool?

level 1

I genuinely enjoyed the movie. I feel like the criticisms of the film were a bit harsh.

level 2
2 points · 6 days ago

I just watched it and that was my first thought after it ended. bunch of haters. It was a pretty good movie. Definitely felt way better about it at the end than I did after TLJ.

level 2
4 points · 7 days ago

I found it better than I expected based on all the bashing. Not great by any means, but I enjoyed it.

level 1

I skipped watching it in theater because I was still disgruntled from TLJ. Movie was far from perfect but definitely enjoyable.

level 1
8 points · 8 days ago

Liked this movie a lot. Did not expect this after the TLJ disaster.

A Solid 8/10. like Rogue One.

So Solo brought back my hope for Episode 9. I did not go to the movies to protest against disney because of TLJ. Hope they learn their lesson but doubt it.

Ps. Emilia cannot act at all. How can i love her so much in got??

level 1

This was a great movie! Donald Glover had the Lando mannerisms spot on. I wish I supported it in the theaters. I never really understood what the negative buzz was for.

level 2

Surely that was his twin brother Childish Gambino?

level 1

Heh. Actually had a blast watching this. Almost makes me wish I'd seen it in theaters. The only problem I had was probably suspending my belief throughout the movie that that dude was Han. Other than that, it was a nice watch and Emilia Clarke is a goddess.

level 1

A 4/10 for me. Besides the nostalgia value (which is zero for me, as Im not a star wars fan), the movie was not enjoyable.

Some little things ruined it for me. Like the wife of Woody Harrleson killing herself just so the job can be done. Really?

Or the scene where Bettany is saying to kill them and shouting, while Han is eating something and is not phased at all

level 2
3 points · 6 days ago · edited 6 days ago

yea iv'e just watched it for the first time yesterday. Losing Val and Rio so early made their deaths have very little impact as we really didnt get to know them enough, i was really enjoying Jon Favreau's character as well so it was a shame he got killed off when he did. The flow of the film felt off to me, i checked the time thinking there was over half the film left and it was nearly over, it really was missing something after how intense the first heist felt it just sort of tapered off from there. The Pirate/resistance arc seemed a bir forced to me and not really being necessary other than to further slight plot points.

Qi'ra's continuation on her dark path seemed obvious quite early and just didnt have the impact when it finally happened. and there seemed to be a fair few questionable decisions by characters that left me not caring for many of their consequences. And the the Maul cameo, although he is one of my favourite in the star wars universe it again seemed forced unless it was an attempt to introduce him for a future story about him but i feel most of the good parts have been told through TCW and Rebels so without re-hashing that i cant see what better stories they could execute.

The only things that i really enjoyed from the film were the acting from Glover(Lando) and Bettany(Dryden) and tbh i thought how Chewie met Han was pretty cool. Personally before it came out it was never a story i thought needed to be told, so my bias may show a bit.

level 1

Shame they killed off the most visually interesting character (Rio) in the first act, apart from that I enjoyed it. :)

level 1

Soooo, was Lando banging a robot?

level 2

He was DEFINITELY banging the robot.

level 2

No. It was heavily implied that she thought Lando was romantically interested in her but he wasn't. She insisted that it would be possible to consummate a relationship with a robot, but she only said she's considered a relationship with Lando:

Sometimes, I think...maybe. But no.

He was devastated when she was destroyed because they were partners.

level 1
22 points · 9 days ago · edited 9 days ago

This whole franchise is plagued by nostalgia, easter eggs, and fillers. Oh, this is where Han gets his last name (not that we even cared), oh, this is why the dice are so important (completely irrelevant to any story arc), oh this is how he met Chewy, oh this is where he meets Lando, oh this is how he won the Falcon, oh this is how they did the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs (unit of distance by the way), oh this is why the Millennium Falcon looks different, oh this is how he meets Jabba, oh this is why he shoots first, oh this is why he saves Luke (because he's a good guy), oh this is why he has that gun, oh this is why Lando greets Han in that way at cloud city. I'm sure everyone can think of 100 other things. I'm surprised they didn't show us why he wears those clothes.

I wonder whenever a director gets a Star Wars the producers are, "well you need to put in all these scenes to make the old fans happy, you know a scene where the Falcon is zig zagging around things, a giant space creature, where Han is shooting his laser gun just as hes fleeing into the Falcon, where he's putting the moves on a women in the closet where him and Leia were, using the hidden storage compartments." I'm surprised they didn't have another trench run being chased by tie fighters (they sort of did). This is why the prequels were so terrible other than some of the worst acting in cinematic history and this is why episodes 7-9 are average at best.

level 2

oh this is how they did the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs (unit of distance by the way)

What's frustrating is the stakes are still based on time. They have to get out quickly because the fuel's decaying. The distance they travelled was totally irrelevant.

level 1

Woody Harrelson felt very out of place

level 2
15 points · 8 days ago

Felt like he was too good for the script for me.

level 1
5 points · 10 days ago

Who is good boy? who is good boy? yes you are Han yes you are goodest boy .

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level 2

Not slang, and not just Spanish. The world "solo" has been a part of the English language for centuries. It was adapted from Italian, which in turn was based on the Latin "solus," meaning "alone." It would have been used as a musical term in English-speaking countries before it entered the vernacular.

Most of the main characters in the Star Wars franchise speak English, which is heavily influenced by Latin, so the term "solo" is no more out of place there than in real-life English.

level 1
11 points · 10 days ago

Han: "oh hey Lando, I know how your ship now contains the brain of your closest friend, and how emotionally attached you are to it, but I really want it, lol so I'mma take it"

level 2

More like her combined knowledge, not conscience.

level 3
2 points · 6 days ago

Apparently the novelization makes it a whole lot more clear that it's her conscience

level 1
1 point · 10 days ago

I watched last night totally loved the it, the world building the Easter eggs, the fun there's not much to hate about it. I did feel Qi'ra was a poor character though.

level 1

I have a problem with SOLO. I quite enjoyed it and had much fun while watching it, as opposed to the last jedi, but still I think the other one is much better movie. For me it was 7,5/10 kind of movie. Good, aesthetically pleasant and finally music was something more than just star wars stuff (a bit inventive instead of good but same as always), but forgettable. I don't have any big butt's, maybe too much of double crossing in the end and decision about choosing 'good' being not so grounded in character (as shown in the movie), and that rebels presentation stating that there is now midget planet in the canon (which was actually hilarious for me)... but movie didnt do anything that will stay with me.
I'd like them to make more movies like this, quite enjoyable summer flicks, like their marvel divison do al the time, but I guess we are still in period when star wars movies cannot be simply 'ok' or 'good', without starting flame wars. I prefer this one to rogue one, which was f***ing beautiful at moments, but character development was simply bad and boring, and main protagonist didn't have any sayso in what was happening to her for like 3/4 of the movie. But last jedi is so hard for me. Hate it and love it at the same time. Like there was something that shouted greatness inside, but poor pacing, strange character decisions killed a bit something that was the most visuall stunning movie of 2017.
Does anbody else have similar problems with love to star wars franchise? Like it's not bad, not really good, and you are stuck in the middle with it?

level 1

I don't care what any Star Wars 'fan' says. I had a blast with Solo. I thought Alden and Donald killed it in their roles! The supporting cast were damn good also and the Darth Maul cameo was really nice. Dryden was very convincing and Chewbacca was great to watch. Woody also killed it! I liked all the easter eggs and name and location drops as they really do make it feel like a connected universe. The action was really well executed and it was all round really enjoyable. I loved the Last Jedi and I really enjoyed Solo. Powell's score was brilliant too. I genuinely do believe Disney is doing a great job with the franchise and I hope they continue to make more Star Wars movies and more spin offs. I would really look forward to spin offs set in the years between episodes VI and VII. I felt it could've been about 5 minutes longer due to all the location jumping, the extra length could be used to ease transitions from one location to another. It's a shame these 'fans' want to boycott great movies which take us in bold, new directions yet lambast previous installments for being "too safe" and that's coming from someone who still enjoys the Prequels. I really look forward to what Disney have in store for us next!

level 1

Yeah, I watched the composite clips of it on youtube; awkward storytelling from the franchise that popularized the hero’s journey, but canon is canon.

I always wanted to see more of the species that Darth Maul was from, even if it was just some schmuck working in food service in the background to let us know they are not all warmongering demons.

level 2

So you just watched some clips and complain it felt awkward? That's on you dude.

level 1

Anyone else feel sorry for that gigantic, multi-eyed, multi-tentacled monster that slowly got ripped apart and crushed by the gravity well? It just seemed to be an unusually dragged out, agonizing death for a PG-13 movie...

level 2

Yeah that lasted way too long. I already felt bad for it, then its skin started burning off...

level 3

Just came back from watching it. For me it looked like the skin of the monster was peeled off due to the gravitational force - fairly brutal for the PG-13 :D

level 1

Was the little pirate girl supposed to be a young Mon Mothma? That didn't make a lot of sense to me, because I thought Mon Mothma was older then Han.

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6 points · 1 month ago

Mon Mothma was already a senator in ROTS, she is in this deleted scene. They used that same actress for mon mothma in rogue one.

level 3

How cool! Thanks for bringing this to my attention!

level 2

I definitely would say no. Two totally different races.

level 2

That was a question I had. Seemed like they were trying to set her up as something, but I guess I missed whatever detail was supposed to give it away? Not sure.

level 1
17 points · 2 months ago · edited 2 months ago

I'm late to the discussion but HOLY FUCK I'M SO HAPPY MAUL IS BACK

I had low expectations for this movie but I wasn't totally disappointed in it. However, I have a few gripes: I thought L3 was as over-bearing as advertised. I'm not really crazy about how sassy and rude she was lol L3 was strong willed definitely but also a dick, often times unprompted.

How does Han just immediately know how to speak Wookie? That didn't make any sense to me, I was under the impression Wookie was impossible for a human to speak in the universe & it even felt clunky in the scenes where Han spoke it.

The scene where Han wins the Falcon literally took 35 seconds what in the hell happened with the editing? That scene could've been awesome but it was just so short for something that was in question for so long.

All & all I liked it, I thought it added a few wrinkles to the established idea of what thing a stood for. L3 absorbed into the Falcon was interesting, Maul being behind Qi'ra was phenomenal and I didn't see it coming, Chewy meeting Han was pretty cool & I like this one more than the other sequels. I'm in love with Emelia Clarke

level 2

Ok, Maul is back but he died in episode 1 after being cut in half by Qui gin gin and thrown into a pit. Wasn’t that why Anakin became Darth Sidious’ puple ? I just got out of the movie.

So help me out. Is solo older than Vader?

I thought the little pirate girl was suppose to be Woody Harrison’s GF daughter, or even his own daughter, making him even worse of a person. That was my opinion.

level 3

Maul didn't die though, they greatly expand on him in TCW and Rebels. & Technically not that wasn't the reason, Dooku would've stepped up as his next apprentice but was grooming Anakin on the side for the inevitable turn where he would end his partnership with Dooku. That's why Dooku was so shocked at the beginning of Ep. 3 when Anakin, the new apprentice, took his spot.

& look at it this way, Solo took place in between 3 and 4. Han married Vader's daughter I don't know of any way Han would be older than Darth Vader

level 3

He looked to be dead in the movie but it turned out he lived. They explained it well in Star Wars Clone Wars. Also, he was a alive in Star Wars Rebels so the timeline thing checks out.

Solo is not older than Vader but he is older than Luke Skywalker. That is why Hon always calls him kid in the movies.

level 4

That is why Hon always calls him kid in the movies.

Calls him kid, and dates the twin sister

level 5

Who is also 10 years younger than him.

level 4

Thank you. I will have to check it out. I have not watched much of the animated series, just an episode here and there.

Thanks

level 1

My boy bossk got a mention

level 1

How did this movie do with Bechdel test? There were two clear scenes with female protagonists talking...about the men.

level 2

The Bechdel test is about the most irrelevant thing in film history.

level 1
2 points · 3 months ago · edited 3 months ago

Great observations, thanks for this. You’re definitely on to something.

Edit: found this article The Key To The Young Han Solo Movie? Casablanca, Of Course

level 1

Just came back from seeing it for the very first time. Blew me away, I liked it more than I expected.

And of course, infinitely better than SJW Wars: The Last Shitshow Jedi. I'm starting to love these stand-alone movies more than the current trilogy.

level 2

Current trilogy? But there’s more than 3 movies. Trilogy = 3

level 1
13 points · 3 months ago

Just saw this last night. 10pm on a Thursday night = only me and the wife in the theatre lol. After hearing everyone hate on this film, I had super low expectations. Which apparently was a good thing, because I walked out pleasantly surprised. 6/10.

While in no way a masterpiece, it was a fun diversion that I would put on par with Revenge of the Sith. (I haven't seen Rogue One, TFA or TLJ so this is really my first exposure into the new films). For some context, I am 40. Big SW fan, as the first movie I ever saw in theatres was a double feature of ANH and ESB back in 1980.

I think Solo really suffered from two major things. First was a very weak Act 1. I think the movie really found itself by around the Kessel run sequence. But prior to that it was just a mishmash of CGI action sequence followed by exposition followed by snarky lines, followed by another CGI action sequence. I really think the film could've benefitted from slowing things down a little, really spend some time introducing your characters, the setting, their relationships and develop them, and then get into your big action set pieces. Then when the action is happening, we would care more about what is happening and be more emotionally invested. Just trying to wow people with CGI is not going to work.

Second, Arlen Ehrenreich is no Harrison Ford. He did pretty good, but pretty good is not going to be good enough, when you are up against such an iconic character played by such an iconic actor. He just didn't have the charm, swag, or brashness that Ford brought to the role. This is probably the hardest pill to swallow for most people as they have had their expectations of what a young Han Solo would be like for 40 years! Being aware of this I still tried to set my expectations aside, but still found his performance lacking. Again it was good, but still lacking.

On the other hand I loved Qi'ra. You can see why Han fell in love with Leia, as Qi'ra is just as strong and complex as Leia was. I don't watch Game of Thrones but her performance here makes me want to check out that series even more. She perfectly played the balance of romantic interest for Han, holding her own by pursuing her own agenda, and having a secretive dark history, that when revealed to be connected to Maul (and I am a big fan of Clone Wars and Rebels), instantly made her the best thing about this movie. Having a sequel with Boba Fett as the main character, but also involving Qi'ra and Maul too would be a perfect continuation.

Lando was also just fine. Again expectations on what a young Lando would be like have been cemented for 40 years. So it is again hard to live up to an iconic character like that. I thought he did better than Arlen, but that is mostly due to Lando being a minor character and Solo the main one.

The two villains, Beckett and Vos were decent. Vos was a bit over the top, but still not that menacing. I liked Beckett a little more because I felt that, he helped to create the Han Solo that we all love, by betraying him and encouraging him not to trust anyone. The only problem with all of that is that they never really spent much time developing their relationship so that when the betrayal happened it didn't really feel like it had much of a meaningful impact on Han, or us as audience members.

Love John Powell as a composer. And I thought he did a good job of creating a very fun and exciting soundtrack. However while I enjoyed his usage of old school John Williams Star Wars themes, I just felt like the editing could have been better, in terms of using those themes to really coincide with the action on screen, instead of just using a theme just to shoehorn it in the scene.

Again a good and fun movie as long as you can check your expectations at the door.

level 2

Rogue one is honestly my favorite star wars movie.

level 2

I hope Rogue One, TFA, TLJ (I guess), and GoT are all in your queue! I’m your age and SW has always been there in my life. I like your review, but you gotta see the rest!

level 2

Everyone betrays you in the end.

...

Even your son.

level 2

I just watched it, enjoyed it, don't understand the hate

level 1
6 points · 3 months ago · edited 3 months ago

Heya. Late to the party, just saw this today.

It surpassed my expectations (which I expected, but this was exceeded even that). It's not high film literature, sure, but solid.

I'm mostly just here to figure out what the heck was up with Darth Maul Maul the Animal Just Maul. Is that resolved in the animated series, or are they hinting to a plot thing that may or may not happen in future spinoffs?

level 2

Well without spoiling it too much it seemed that Maul met his downfall at the end of Clone Wars but then appeared in Rebels. However what happened in the mean time could prove to be very interesting. Also it's awesome that Sam Witwer got to voice him in Solo too as he voiced him in both Clone Wars and Rebels.

level 1
11 points · 3 months ago · edited 3 months ago

The weirdest thing about this was seeing it a full month after it came into theaters, on a Tuesday night at 7:30pm, and having the showing almost completely full. 3 empty seats when I went to buy my ticket at the kiosk. What the fuck?

Anyway, the movie itself was pretty much as expected. Certainly better than Rogue One, but that's the lowest of low bars. Had a few alright moments, Woody Harrelson and Paul Bettany were pretty cool (as they always are), Lando was better than I thought he'd be, and that's about it. At this point I'm just out of fuel when it comes to seeing the same Star Wars trappings in a movie. I never want to see Stormtroopers, TIE Fighters, Star Destroyers, or the Millenium Falcon and its various crew again. The Star Wars fatigue is real. This movie was at its best when you couldn't really tell it was a Star Wars movie, which was infrequent.

The portrayal of the actual character of Han Solo was weirdly inconsistent. Like, prior to the events of A New Hope he's supposed to be, y'know, a scoundrel. This movie tried way too hard to ignore the fact that he grew as a character after all this stuff happened, and make him a hero. But then he still shoots first on Beckett anyway, because we gotta have Han shooting first, even though it doesn't gel with everything else he did in the movie. I wanted to see him fucking more people over for his own gain, not helping any rebellions against the empire, or doing things because they're the right thing to do. Fuck that.

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6 points · 12 days ago

Certainly better than Rogue One, but that's the lowest of low bars.

Lol, what?

SOLO was complete trash, and R1 is in the top 3. You're crazy

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Solo is a movie. It's not a good movie, but it's a movie. It has characters, a plot, and some measure of entertainment value.

Rogue One has no characters, and a CGI Grand Moff Tarkin. I would take the prequels unironically over it, because at least their flashiness is worth something. Rogue One struggled to compete with checking my phone to browse Reddit. It committed the only true sin a film can: it was boring.

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10 points · 12 days ago

Just so you are aware, you are in the vast minority when it comes to this debate of opinions. Just because your gold fish brain can't remember characters names that haven't been around for 30 years, doesn't mean it's bad. I disagree on everything you've written.

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your*

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What how do you hate rouge one? It feels like Star Wars more so than anything else they’ve made. It fell perfectly in line with the Star Wars saga and is the only film that felt natural and real. It was gritty, it was hostile it’s what the rebellion was supposed to be and we got to see some great characters with a great ending as to why they aren’t around.

The new trilogy is filled with holes and just general in decentness, from politics to over bearing “we need strong female leads” that just feel forced and unrealistic to just pointless characters the standalone films set the bar high while the trilogy just goes against everything we were told and taught Star Wars was

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The main problem was that it had no characters. At the end of the movie, the only name I could remember was Jyn Erso. The rest were just nothings. The other major issue was that it's a story that didn't need to be told. You know they get the plans, so there's no excitement on that front. When your movie's resolution is known in advance, you have to lean even harder on the moment to moment stuff and make us care about the characters, and Rogue One completely failed to do that.

Visually they might have gotten it right, but that's such a minor contributing factor. The movie was boring.

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The rest were just nothings.

Yeah I mean that's kind of one of the points of the movie, that these "no ones" set in motion what the rebel alliance eventually managed to do. Their names are not important, their actions are.

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But their actions weren't important. We already knew what the outcome would be. The idea you've proposed makes for a philosophically meaningful statement, and a terrible movie.

The way you make me care about a movie whose outcome is set in stone and known to everyone is by making me enjoy the journey. You focus on the characters and their interactions, on their backgrounds and personalities and reasons for fighting, and you set the endpoint off to the side because it's not important to the goal of entertaining me.

Rogue One didn't do that. That's why it's a failure as a movie.

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I'm just pointing out that you not remembering any character names was somewhat intentional (directly or indirectly), since they are supposed to be nameless heroes according to the original trilogy.

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They didn't have names. But they could've been memorable characters anyway, and the goal of making them throwaway heroes would've been preserved. It's a shame.

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Rogue One had its moments, lots of good ones and a few bad ones. But it's definitely not the shit show you think it is, according to the vast majority of fans.

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Star Wars fans are pretty easily impressed, yeah.

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I mean not really...I haven't met many that liked episode 1, 2, 3, 7 or 8?

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100% disagree. Rogue One is the best of all the new Star Wars movies imo.

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Why's that?

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  1. It felt like a Star Wars movie, where Solo felt like a knock off SW movie.

  2. The story was relatively easy to follow compared to the convoluted and at times confusing story of Solo.

  3. Better characters and dialog. Genuinely funny moments from K-2SO. L3, while I liked her personality, felt forced at times.

  4. The Darth Vader scene

  5. Actual fighting with Imperial forces

  6. A good ending that connected to the next movie

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I can understand (while disagreeing) with everything you listed except 3. Rogue One didn't have any characters in it other than a quipping robot.

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I wasn't going to reply to this but I kept on reading and I have to now. If you feel Rogue one is the lowest of low bars then I hope you think the force awakens and the last jedi are an affront to humanity.

Second, this is Han when he was young. I'm not sure if he has ever been protrayed that way somewhere else as I haven't gone deep into star wars lore, but from what I took from the movie this is Han in the early stages. Just a kid trying to find his place in life. Prior to escaping he hadn't had any kind of actual experience with no safety net. He's not inconsistent, he's slowly growing during the course of the movie, ending with him taking the shot and giving up on helping the rebellion any further.

If a sequel with him is ever made, then that's when the Han we know should start making an appearance.

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Rogue One is joint with AotC as the weakest film imo

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Nah, Force Awakens and Last Jedi at least have value as movies. They fulfill the most basic requirement of cinema, which is to entertain. Quality or subjective assessment of their content aside, they're not boring. Rogue One failed to hold my interest at all, on any level. From that standpoint, it's actually a worse movie than even the prequels, which are only superficially entertaining (ie - they're pretty to look at and have flashy lightsaber battles and such).

Han's old enough by the time the events of Solo takes place to basically be the man he is when we meet him in A New Hope. He should be self-centered and generally unscrupulous based on his experiences growing up. That's not the character we got, though. It's fine if you disagree.

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He's that way because of the way Qi'ra betrayed him. He doesn't believe anyone is trustworthy except Chewie.

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No, no value. I'm not even going to start listing all the things wrong with them here. But they are far from "value as movies". And to "entertain" is subjective. At least Solo tried something new, instead of copying everything from past movies and making it worse. And artificially entertaining? It's like I'm back in /v/ with their "artificial fun" lmao

It doesn't matter how old Han was. Character comes from experience. His life revolved around surviving from scraps from the people that took care of him, at least that's what was implied. His first dealings with any kind of organized crime came in this movie. So no, he isn't even close to being the man he was in A new hope in this movie and it shows, because you can see parts of Han Solo in him, but it's full of immaturity. I never disagreed, it's true, that's not THE Han Solo, because that's the point. It's his story when he was just starting out.

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2 points · 3 months ago · edited 3 months ago

I don't know why you're comparing Solo with TLJ or TFA. That was never a comparison I made. The comparison was Rogue One with TLJ and TFA. Rogue One is a waste of film, while the latter two are not.

I didn't say artificially entertaining, either. I said superficially. Just because the two words end the same does not mean they mean the same thing.

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Be that as it may, if you think rogue one is a waste of film then the main line movies are the lowest of trash. Which they are.

I find the fact that you just had to find a distinction between both words hilarious.

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You're not listening. The mainline movies may have flaws like being poorly written or ruining what you think Star Wars should be. That's fine. Even if you hate them, that requires more emotional investment than Rogue One, which is the true opposite of both love and hate: indifference. Even an aggressively bad movie has more value than a boring film that makes me keep checking the time.

I find the fact that you just had to find a distinction between both words hilarious.

Sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to say here. The two words don't even have similar meanings, let alone the same meaning. They're two different words. I don't have to find a distinction, you're the only one that said artificially.

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No, you're the one not listening. If you think that of rogue one, then the mainline movies are beyond the scope of trash, which they are.

I find the fact that you're writing so articulately about me finding it hilarious that you had to look for a distinction between the words even more hilarious. It's hilarious because the point I was trying to make is how stupid the whole thing is (calling something superficially entertaining, which is as stupid as /v/s "artificially fun") but you didn't catch on and kept seriously answering, which is funny.

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No, you're the one not listening. If you think that of rogue one, then the mainline movies are beyond the scope of trash, which they are.

And I'm saying trash at least inspires anger, or disgust. On the emotional spectrum, that requires you to give a shit on some level. Rogue One isn't something you can say the same thing for. The only thing it inspires is yawning.

but you didn't catch on and kept seriously answering, which is funny.

Whoa, it's not my fault your posts are impossible to glean meaning from. That's on you, pal. I couldn't understand if you were being purposefully retarded or just ineptly expressing some point I couldn't figure out.

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No it doesn't. I'm just calling it what it is. The last thing Rogue One inspires is yawning though.

Saying it's my fault, so predictable it hurts lmao

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Yes. Thank you, R1 isn't even a cohesive story. There are no actual characters

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I didn't enjoy it until the Kessel Run. That's the only time it really felt like a star wars movie. Tons of energy and the characters delivering their lines believably for the first time. I reaaally don't know what kind of impression Han's actor was doing, but it felt like Jack Nicholson for most of the movie. With the nasally voice and eyebrow gestures. The script was really clunky trying to shoehorn in any and all Han references it could instead of letting it happen organically. Was funny to see Darth Maul, I wonder where that will go.

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It's actually an entertaining movie, but it's not Han. I don't believe it's the same character at all. But overall, I actually enjoyed it a lot more than TLJ.

It's unfortunate that the main sequels suck this bad that I am still thinking about pretty much ignoring anything else Disney creates in the Star Wars verse.

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Is Han Solo another galaxy’s Rick Blaine from Casablanca?

  • Rick is separated from the love of his life (Ilsa) because of an evil empire and is left alone at a Paris train station. Han is separated from the love of his life (Kira) because of an evil empire and is left alone at an interplanetary space station.

  • Rick encouters Ilsa years later in a bar and she is now involved with another man.  Han encounters Kira years later in a bar and she is now involved with another man.

  • Rick claims to be motivated by self-interest and not willing to help those oppressed by evil, he eventually performs a selfless act and comes to the support of the resistance. Han claims to be motivated by self-interest and not willing to help those oppressed by evil, he eventually performs a selfless act and comes to the support of the rebellion.

  • Major Strasser steps in to stop Rick’s plan. Rick shoots him without hesitation. Tobias Becket steps in to stop Han’s plan. Han shoots him without hesitation.

  • Rick and Ilsa proclaim their love for each other but go their separate ways, understanding that they can never be together. Rick watches Ilsa’s plane fly away from him. Han and Kira proclaim their love for each other but go their separate ways, understanding that they can never be together. Han watches Kira’s ship fly away from him.

“Here’s looking at you kid."

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Wow, TIL. Might go watch Casablanca then.

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Better than I was expecting, but he wasn't Han Solo at all. There were like two moments where I could see that maybe with a lot of work, he could play Han Solo, but this wasn't it.

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2 points · 3 months ago · edited 3 months ago

It was all right. Up until the Kessel Run (which i thought they did a pretty good job of), I was just thinking how the movie just lacked suspense because we all know not only does Chewie, Han, and Lando make it out alive, but also that no matter what they do, they will eventually become the biggest of heroes in the galaxy...and then of course Han dying later after that.

But it's about the "how" and I thought the Kessel Run was done great, and then the twists at the end maybe gets a little Dark Knight/Ocean's 11ey with quite not knowing how it all works, but it's still just fun to watch.

The main thing that continues to get dicey is the Wookie situation. Beckett's whole thing was not to trust anyone but Han and Chewie just quickly become an impeccable bond just because we've seen that they've always been like that. Yes, Han freed him, but Chewie was on a first-name basis with friggin Yoda! Like the whole droid attack on the Wookies and them being enslaved by the empire; why would Chewie continue to hang around with someone like Han? Plus the other Wookie slaves that was in this film. Chewie should be out there fighting the good fight that he has done and eventually will do again in the OT and Sequels.

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6 points · 3 months ago

Life debt.

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Just saw it. It was fine and good, but nothing beyond that. I still don't feel like the characterization of Solo himself in this fits well with the Solo of the other films. Han was never really a plucky guy thirsty for adventure; in the original trilogy he's almost always a grump who wishes he was anywhere but where he is. (Yeah yeah yeah character arc but it still didn't feel right.)

The most annoying thing to me was the constant references to the original films, and the overt spotlight on everything that makes him 'Han Solo.' "Oooh, that's why he's called Solo! Oooh, that's where he got the dice! Oooh, that's where he got his blaster! Oooh, that's where Chewie learned that hologram chess move! Oooh, she just said maybe he'll join a Rebellion someday and he doesn't know it yet but he totally will!" I was almost expecting to find out that Han built C3PO as a kid.

Overall the script was clunky, but it is Star Wars. I enjoyed a lot of the humor, and I did like how Han and Chewie met. The film got better as it went on, and I liked the twist of Qi'ra turning her back on him (since I totally expected her to die).

So, better than the prequels, but a little worse than the other new films.

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I wouldn't go that far. Solo was a nice movie, but The Last Jedi was a masterpiece. The character development, action sequences, and amazing visuals, not to mention the outstanding score, great acting, and nuanced plot made it better than The Force Awakens. Solo was a bit of a cash grab, but still entertaining and much better than other corporate, cash grabs(A.K.A The Secret Life of Pets).

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5 points · 3 months ago

39 minute old account, dude troll better.

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4 points · 3 months ago · edited 3 months ago

I'm serious. And what does me having a new account have to do with literally anything? I have my opinion, you have yours. Simple. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean their "trolling". So if you don't know what trolling means, let me explain it to you. Trolling, according to the dictionary,means:

informalmake a deliberately offensive or provocative online post with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them.

Now, simple mind, how does this fit what I posted?

Unless, of course, youre a butthurt fanboy who gets angry when someone doesn't like you're favorite movies.

Ulster wookie is pretty fanboyish name after all...

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Went in with low expectations. This film was terribly marketed here in the Netherlands, read here and there it was a rocky road coming to the big screen. Sorta disappointed we're still not getting a Ewan McGregor "Old man Ben: A Star Wars adventure"... yet me and my friends, lifetime casual Star Wars fans, left the theatre pleasantly surprised to say the least! At the whole thing! Particularly, imho, Dryden Vos & Lando!

One gripe; most films nowadays have a very clear (cookiecutter* almost) path of progression through the story, Solo does surprise to an extent, but less so than any Star Wars film to date. Guess the bar was set relatively high, praise be. Again, my humble opinion.

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27 points · 3 months ago · edited 3 months ago

I walked in with low expectations and walked out incredibly happy! The plot was great. The adventure was solid. The acting was on. The feeling was Star Wars.

I liked this a lot. If you like fun and you like Star Wars you'll like Solo.

EDIT: I just heard that SOLO is doing poorly at the box office. Go see it friends! Go see it today! They should make more like this. It had that Star Wars feeling, it was smart and fun... Adults and kids alike can enjoy it!

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Just watched this. My Dad and brother told me we were going to watch JW2, because I was massively against watching any Hans Solo film without Harrison Ford, but I loved it. I was gripped the whole way through, and I even liked Emilia Clarke's subtle acting (which is saying something). Brilliant film.

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Okay fuck /r/movies because I loved last Jedi and hated this movie. Well not hate, I was utterly whelmed by it

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Young Justice Robin, is that you?!

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Wow, dude, you can't disagree with the majority I'm sorry I have to downvote you.

level 3

It's honestly sad how strong the hiveminds on Reddit are, regardless of sub

level 1

what was up with the space octopus?

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We've seen space slug things that live in asteroids, so it's not without precedent.

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13 points · 3 months ago

does this mean that Qi'ra still live during the Original Trilogy? will there be Solo 2 where he kills Qi'ra?

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Actually alden ehrenreich signed for 2 more movies. If we're going to see a solo 2 or maybe even a lando spin off, i don't know. But sure is - there will be more.

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With these box office numbers you're unlikely to ever see Qra ever again....

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Seriously. Disney had such little faith in the movie that they dropped it off in the fucking summer and not during the winter.

level 1

Late to the party, loved everything but hated L3.

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L3 was trash. Absolute garbage. Totally out of place in the entire Star Wars universe. Her stupid SJW attitude towards how robots are being treated was just absurd. That droid/human relationship conversation? Holy shit. What idiot thought that character up?

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She actually annoyed me less than I expected her too. Her Human/Droid relationship quip seemed to be played more for laughs at the absurdity of it (Even treated as such in-universe). The SJW stuff is/was overblown.

The Droid Freedom stuff was silly but was seemingly treated as such in-universe, too. Regardless, this isn't the first time the subject has been brought up in Star Wars, so don't act like it is.

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I enjoyed L3! I suppose it was a little bit too similar to K-2SO dropping jokes every scene, but overall I didn't mind!

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Even later to the party, I agree. I'm a little over the sassy droid trope.

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It was fine. Just fine. Nothing amazing but nothing that's going to ruin my day. I really enjoyed watching it in the theater and now that I let it marinade and think over it more, I'm sure I'll find some stuff to complain about. BUT I will say this: I need to see more of Darth Maul as the boss of the Space Yakuza more than I need any other Star Wars movies.

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agree

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Personally, I didn’t like Solo at all. I hated last Jedi, still do, with a passion. But this one to me was just bland. All the actors did just ok. Nobody stood out to me, not even Lando. Who everyone seems to agree was the best in the movie. It just seemed to be a movie made by people who don’t really understand the source material. Like Lando cheating at cards. I really don’t think Lando would do that. The action, which to me seemed nonexistent, was again just plain boring. The scenes when someone dies and we are supposed to care are over in a blink. How cool would of been had we got a casino royal esq scene with Lando vs Han and the winner gets the falcon? But no, what we got was again, just a bland scene with no tension or anything. Maybe I’m just bitter because I read a bunch of the EU books and I know there is really good and interesting story lines there and what Disney has chosen to use isn’t good.

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In what universe would Lando NOT cheat at cards?

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In the universe where he is the most confident/cocky dude out there. One where he is or thinks he is the best sabacc player. If he believes he is the best player in the galaxy why does he feel the need to cheat? Now if that makes him the best player, that’s a fake bravado. It’s easy to be cocky when you know you have all the cards in your favor, figuratively and literally. That was just one of the issues I had with Solo.

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Yeah but he's a smuggler. His whole livelihood is sneaking things under people's noses. It's not like there aren't two movies establishing his sneakiness and ability to pull the rug out from under people. His confidence is part of his hustle.

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What two movies are you referring to? If you’re talking about Empire, I would slightly disagree. It’s only implied at in Empire but Lando was in a no win situation. If he says no to Darth Vader, the most likely scenario is the empire kills many if not everyone on bespin, including Lando, then takes them anyways.
Anyways, honestly, part of my trouble with these new movies is that I read many of the EU books and think they did a way better job at continuing or establishing relationships of these characters. I’m not saying because they aren’t the books they are trash. I loved both force awakens and rouge one. The way Han and Lando meet, the way Han gets the falcon, Han’s childhood and how he learned Wookiee are just done better in the books.

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I wouldn't believe Lando not cheating at cards.

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It was a fun movie, but I was kind of disappointed by the lack of character development. Han starts off the movie a smart aleck, rebellious kid (who even wears a vest already) and within the first 20 minutes has been trained as a pilot (even though he doesn't finish flight school). The only major lesson he learns by the end of the movie is "not to trust anyone" which is such a movie trope at this point that it hardly feels very satisfying. And this is all true for Lando tenfold: he's already got the slang and the outfits, so I guess even though Solo is set ~10+ years before the original trilogy, Lando's fashion didn't change? He didn't have another signature style before? And IIRC, we learn nothing about his backstory. Again, I would've liked them to leave some room for growth over the course of the movie, rather than connecting everything to the original trilogy from the get-go. That's what I liked about Rogue One, it was its own story in the Star Wars universe, and only at the end did they cleverly connect it to the greater SW story. Rather than heavy-handed references that IMO took up too much screen time in Solo.

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I was under the impression he was already a decent enough pilot before going to flight school. He seemed to be good at flying the landspeeders, though they might be something of a different beast.

Luke for example was able to fly an X-Wing decently despite only having experience with speeders and Skyhoppers (And being good with those).

Either way though, yes, "Solo" could have used some stronger character development for everyone. I think maybe Qi'Ra was okay in this respect.

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He said his dad built spaceships so I think it's safe to say he could have learned how to fly that way. As for Luke, I think his connection to the force helped him like it did for his dad when he was young.

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I wasn't even planning on going because I was so disappointed by The Last Jedi, which was, in my opinion, hot garbage. I didn't like The Force Awakens and thought Rogue One was just kinda good, but Solo has got to be one of the best Star Wars. I was hooked from the first minute to the last. Truly felt like Star Wars.

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I totally agree with you my friend. But we seem to be in the minority.

But however, i thought the movie did everything right, a prequel could do. And i just can't understand the criticizm. It's like the people need to bash star wars a little more after the disappointment of the last jedi. The movie was original, phenomenal looking, great easter eggs and a stunning action. It was a big fan service. And i can't fucking understand, why people complain about fan service.

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It's interesting you say that, because I hadn't gotten the impression that a lot of people disliked it. It isn't performing well in the theaters, yeah, but that doesn't have much to do with how much you like a movie, since you don't know that till after you see it, yeah? I think people mostly weren't going because they didn't like TLJ, like me.

That said, maybe you're seeing something I missed. Generally, it seems like people like it, to me.

No matter the case, thanks for the camaraderie! :)

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Haha you're welcome. Yeah especially in german media (living in ger obviously) there is a lot of critique.

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We're the opposite lmao. I don't hate Solo , just thought it was okay

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Got to say... no love for this one. Main actor really didn't nail the part, it was neither an imitation or his own spin on the character. And the story just meandered from one not-terribly-exciting action sequence to another. Donald Glover's outstanding performance as Lando was a bright spot, but it made the lead's act seem even less Soloish.

Got the impression the entire movie was set up to nudge "Fans" (not fans, "Fans") and say "Yeah, we at Disney get it. Here's your favorite character. We think Han should have shot first too, that's something that bothers you right? Well, we agree! Oh and wait until you see our take on "I have a bad feeling about this!", it'll really make you chuckle."

Well, I'm a Star Wars fan, not a "Fan". I'll still watch the next one. I love the series despite disliking some of the films. George Lucas did not R-word my childhood, he made it rock. Disney hasn't either. And what the f--- is it with the comparisons to the R-word anyway, do those of you who use it have any sense of proportion at all?

I didn't need this, it was an unnecessary film, and it wasn't a particularly good one either.

To my mind it's Disney's first dud, so I still have high hopes, as long as they don't take the (misplaced, in my view) criticism of TLJ to heart and made Ep 9 just another dumb bit of fan service, I'll be happy.

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4 points · 3 months ago

What is the R-word?

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"Rape", as in "this movie/game/book raped my childhood", a fairly common statement of complaint with regards to bad sequels. It's a statement that's gotten pushback in recent years because it diminishes the actual horrible crime by comparing it to a bad movie.

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2 points · 3 months ago

Ah that makes that post much more readable, thanks! I think censoring the word rape is a bridge too far for this bleeding heart liberal but to each their own.

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3 points · 10 days ago

Censorship aint liberal at all.

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1 point · 9 days ago

Yup that was my point

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2 points · 9 days ago

May have misread slightly. Though it seems like the term has been warped a bit lately, all this nonsensical censorship and double speak going on at the moment gets attributed to the left, when really it's extreme right wing ideology.

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I enjoyed it a great deal and it was better than I expected. It's definitely got issues, but out of all the new Star Wars films it sits 2nd for me behind Rouge One.

I look forward to other Star Wars movies that explore the greater universe. I just hope they use characters we don't know next time and keep the force stuff to a minimum.

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16 points · 3 months ago

This might actually be one of my favorite star wars movies.

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Finally saw this yesterday. Solo might be my favorite Star Wars movie, period.

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Oh I don’t think so

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17 points · 3 months ago

You don't think it's his favorite SW movie? Then which one is it? :)

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The attempt on my life has left me scared and deformed

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But has it left you scarred?

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Yep

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I know I'm two weeks late (finals), but...

HOLY SHIT! How are people shitting on this movie!? It was so fun! It's not a cinematic masterpiece, but it is a good heist movie and a good Star Wars movie! There's just the right amount of call backs and references to other Star Wars movies and shows and adaptations to the old EU legends and they do a good job telling the story and ALL THE WORLD-BUILDING!

It really illuminated what I found off-putting about TLJ - there's no world-building - it's just them being chased through space and then there's a casino and then they end up on Krait (salt Hoth).

I was expecting it to be a mess, what with all the switching directors and it getting bombed at the box office and it's even leaving theaters early - before Infinity War does at my nearest ones! But I had so much fun!

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I really liked this movie. Between this and Rogue One the non-Jedi Star Wars movies are proving to be better.

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6 points · 3 months ago · edited 3 months ago

I honestly think I'm pretty over the force, jedi, sith, etc. A large part of why I enjoyed Solo and Rouge One so much is all that is kept to a minimum or not included at all. One of my least favorite things about Solo was the big boss reveal at the end.

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I wouldn't get too down on the reveal. I thought it was pretty cool to connect it to The Clone Wars universe.

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That was my issue though. I'm not a fan of the Clone Wars universe.

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Why not?

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Late to the party but I enjoyed it really.

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Same, just got home from watching it!

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Call it a fault in the programming. Ever had a computer blue screen on you? I just feel that people demand movies hold up this higher moral ground to set an example for how we “should” live and think. That’s bullshit. You decide how you should live and think and let movies, music and other media be what it is. Entertainment. Your expecting some sort of realism from a movie about space pirates and magic. Why do you need activism in Star Wars? Don’t you get enough of that everywhere else?

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I feel torn by this comment. I agree that movies should eschew activism but I definitely think they need realism. Unfortunately Solo failed on both counts.

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Happy cake day btw. I feel like Solo got a bunch of shit simply because it was the first Star Wars movie to follow The Last Jedi. By itself it is not a bad movie. Is it Schindler’s List? No. Is it Caddyshack 2? Also no.

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It's a decent string of western tropes set in the SW universe. I caught myself enjoying the last fifth after just patiently witnessing what came before. I made the mistake of watching it in the dimmest theater in town.

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Was it hinted that Lando had been banging L3?

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Yes, and it was also established that she had free will and objected to being a slave. This was all played for a laugh though.

So now we have a sex-slave whose suffering is used for comedic value. All she wanted was freedom for herself and other droids, for which she is constantly mocked by characters that are supposed to be likeable. She's killed, and then after death she's brought back for permanent enslavement in the Millenium Falcon.

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She's not a slave at all. Shes Lando's lover. No force sticks and no reprogramming. She DOES get them to participate in the rebellion, as they free the droids and the miners. The other characters dont mock her, they try to save her.

Then she becomes the ultimate liberator, the millennium falcon.

level 4

When does the Millenium Falcon do anything to liberate droids. Droid liberation is never even mentioned as a concept in any of the other movies, much less a goal and absolutely not something that is acted upon.

And Lando talks about erasing her memory and reprogramming her in response to her talk of liberation. It's not possible to have consent in a relationship where one member threatens to essentially kill you and replace you with somebody else in response to you talking about your freedom, when there is mutual knowledge that he could 100% get away with it and face no repercussions.

If you think of yourself as somebody who is against oppression, please reevaluate everything about the way you think.

level 5

Not droid liberation. They saved the galaxy from the empire including at least a couple heroic droids.

And yeah, he's not joking, he's lying. He's in a scenario where he's got a sassy black wifey of a droid running around causing a ruckus in his hangout. He's gotta explain this to his new hooligan pals.

"Hey, I've been having sex with my robot and I think we're in love." is not gonna impress your new thief buddies. That's gonna get you sideways looks and social ostracization. Instead it's all about the nav system.

Look at what he actually does. He almost dies with her. It's his wifey, not his slave.

As for me and oppression, you don't know me. Don't assume my actions or beliefs.

level 3

That literally sounds like a Black Mirror episode.

level 2

Yes

level 1

Fun movie, but I thought Donald Glover failed pretty hard.

He was very good at the lighthearted scenes, but was completely incapable of portraying any other emotion. I'm also pretty certain I saw him smile while he was holding L3's remains.

level 2

I thought he was fantastic, and portrayed the role of a young Lando fine given the crazy expectations set by the canon. But to each their own.

level 3

I agree that the crazy side of him was great. It's the serious side I did not feel was portrayed well at all.

level 4
3 points · 3 months ago · edited 3 months ago

Fair point. I didn't really think about that when I made my post. I did like the crazy side of him, specifically. (That wasn't what I intended in that posts' context, though. I cannot take credit!) To comment something constructive: perhaps this issue has more to do with the script?

level 5

He had a moment with l3's remains where he really dropped the ball. That was a moment where even mediocre acting would have sufficed. I just think he was poorly cast. If you need someone funny and/or crazy eyes he's the best, but just not right for showing that vulnerability.

level 6

That's a good point. I thought it was definitely kind of quirky that the show wants to treat his droid as a punchline, but then suddenly wants us to take that scene very seriously. I concede to your point.

level 7

You're also right that the writers dropped the ball. That scene really didn't fit.

level 2

Yeah his acting was pretty bad. Pleasantly surprised at the general acting level of the movie though

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